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Post by XRF Lemarrrr on Aug 26, 2018 10:48:38 GMT
How to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. After finishing P1 in practice and qualifying on Pole by nearly 8 10ths and leading comfortably for the 1st part of the race to finish in P5 2 laps off the lead lap is a disappointing result. After what seemed like a very long pit stop I came out still in front of Rich in P3 behind Tyler and Pete, the delta between fresh and worn tyres was big and I quickly closed Tyler down in P2 whilst maintaining and at some points increasing the gap to Rich behind. As I closed in on Tyler I began to lose aero performance and I attempted to line him up for an overtake I understeered wise at T5 and sustained heavy suspension damage. Limped back to the Pit and after a lengthy stop for repairs I came out 1 lap down with about half the race left to run. Being frustrated at my mistake I pushed hard and managed to make up some of the ground I’d lost, I pushed so hard that I overheated the tyres and as a result of that went off again picking up some more damage resulting in another pit stop. I came out in P5 after Nate retired and began pushing in the 20 or so mins remaining in the race. I made up a lot of time but run out of time to close the gap back to the lead lap. Despite my disappointing result I enjoyed the challenge and it was an exciting and demanding race so congratulations to all that took part. Also I must congratulate Rich for his unexpected win and as I engineered his car for that win I should get half his points 😂
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Post by Nate Michael on Aug 26, 2018 12:46:16 GMT
THAT'S NO EXCUSE, YOU SLACKER!!! Haha just kidding of course! That is truly amazing dude! These IndyCars are a top class of race car IMO and not easy to drive at all. I have to mentally and physically prepare myself (yes, I do stretches before racing and i'm only 29). The way you have to break in these causes a lot of stress on the lower back and I can feel it later if i'm tense before a race. If you're at all interested in joining another racing league that is less aggressive with the pedals (even if you use a clutch pedal) but just as fun, you could try our Vintage F1 League on this website. Most of the IndyCar League members are also in the F1 through time 1963 season that is currently run every Wednesday at 5pm EST. We're probably going to move it back to every other week too as it's too much for many of us. It's definitely a different way of driving & racing as it's more about smoothness over setup. Plus, we need more drivers just like this League does... Tough luck for Laguna Seca man, that is a tricky little track though, and we're definitely glad you're racing with us. The more; the marrier! LMAO! Yeah man, the road courses are still hard for me. I was good the first 15 minutes, but after that I was fatigued. Like I said, the ovals I’m good on, but the road courses I struggle with. Can you send me the link to that league? I would definitely do it too if that’s possible? Let’s be honest though, that track was fun! Well, for the first 20 minutes where I wasn’t getting my doors blown off LOL
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Post by Nate Michael on Aug 26, 2018 13:03:59 GMT
That being said, I’m coming for you boys at Daytona! LOL
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Post by XRF HammerPH on Aug 26, 2018 13:42:55 GMT
THAT'S NO EXCUSE, YOU SLACKER!!! Haha just kidding of course! That is truly amazing dude! These IndyCars are a top class of race car IMO and not easy to drive at all. I have to mentally and physically prepare myself (yes, I do stretches before racing and i'm only 29). The way you have to break in these causes a lot of stress on the lower back and I can feel it later if i'm tense before a race. If you're at all interested in joining another racing league that is less aggressive with the pedals (even if you use a clutch pedal) but just as fun, you could try our Vintage F1 League on this website. Most of the IndyCar League members are also in the F1 through time 1963 season that is currently run every Wednesday at 5pm EST. We're probably going to move it back to every other week too as it's too much for many of us. It's definitely a different way of driving & racing as it's more about smoothness over setup. Plus, we need more drivers just like this League does... Tough luck for Laguna Seca man, that is a tricky little track though, and we're definitely glad you're racing with us. The more; the marrier! LMAO! Yeah man, the road courses are still hard for me. I was good the first 15 minutes, but after that I was fatigued. Like I said, the ovals I’m good on, but the road courses I struggle with. Can you send me the link to that league? I would definitely do it too if that’s possible? Let’s be honest though, that track was fun! Well, for the first 20 minutes where I wasn’t getting my doors blown off LOL Heres the link to the Vintage series Nate... consoleracing.boards.net/board/90/project-cars-vintage-f1-championshipJust to echo the sentiments of everyone else, no problem on pace buddy, as long as you are enjoying your racing there will always be a place on any grid for you here. There's no elitism amongst any of our drivers and all we ask is that anyone that joins is clean, fair and had FUN. Look forward to seeing you at Daytona and on the Vintage series too
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Post by hurtmagurt on Aug 27, 2018 1:55:37 GMT
Damn Nate that's amazing. Glad you are well. You should check out the Wed vintage F1 for sure.
Well it appears you guys all ran the alternates. I couldn't get them to last 10 laps in practice so I went Hards to start, Hards at 35min and a splash at the end. Oh well. Looking forward to the oval racing again.
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Post by XRF Formula1 on Aug 27, 2018 8:00:41 GMT
Keep at it Nate, it looks like we're all rootin' for you! Here's the video I put together. There's no announcers for this one as like I said before, i'm not trying to spend as much time on every video because it's very time consuming. It's the full race and it shows Rich, Peter's, and my POV with the current race leader on the bottom right screen. You can also watch me break and fix my wheel (for now) on lap 2 :
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Post by XRF Lemarrrr on Aug 27, 2018 9:43:13 GMT
Thanks for this replay Tyler, I’ll put it on our social media this morning 👍🏻
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Post by ReadingRich on Aug 27, 2018 12:50:32 GMT
What a race guys. I really didn’t see a win coming in a shape or form as I’d really struggled with set up for this track to the point that LeMarrrrr (Dave) helped me out. I was happy with my qualifying with a row 2 start I knew in out and out qualiy pace Dave would be hard to beat him. Once we went green and the usual chaos sorted it self out I found myself in P4 behind Tyler due to running wide and out to the dust a couple of time on Lap1. I seemed to catch the lead trio pretty quick which was a shock but once I got to around half a second behind the car in front the push was quite big and it was a struggle not wash out wide in some corners. I got past Tyler when his wheel came off and then hunted Pete down again get aero loose once I got close but I saw him have a few minor moment before the corkscrew before he had a bigger one just before the end of the lap. Once past I went after Dave, I was quicker in the twists but his bow tie power had the legs of me on the straights so the gap seemed to stay around a second which to be honest probably helped with the aero. We both pitted on the same lap and both came out behind Pete and Tyler. For a good while we seemed to be all in a row I think there was around 5 seconds between the lead and 4th at o e point which was mega. I got past Dave when he had an issue and chased down P2 but was more or less stuck behind till he pitted the same with P1 a lap or so later. I tried to pump so decent laps in as I knew my tyres wouldn’t go till the end and the fuel was a bit iffy so I boxed again with around 20 mins to go. This gave me a short fill and low repair time but put me behind Pete and Tyler I wasn’t sure if they had to stop again but I had fresh Firestone Reds and a full tank so off I went with plenty of margin for pace. Again I caught them up and I could see both of them but again it was so hard to follow and keep close.the closet the end the less confident I was that they needed to stop but then Pete boxed and with only around 3 or 4 m8 s left Tyler did, I couldn’t believe it. I spent the next 2 Laps just pottering around careful not to wreck out last minute. I felt I really had a good race as other than the go wide on lap one I didn’t do much wrong. Strategy was a gamble but it paid off. It was great fun racing so close for so many laps especially with Pete which seems to be the norm last couple of years. Great racing everyone roll on Daytona.
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Post by Nate Michael on Aug 27, 2018 14:21:03 GMT
Keep at it Nate, it looks like we're all rootin' for you! Here's the video I put together. There's no announcers for this one as like I said before, i'm not trying to spend as much time on every video because it's very time consuming. It's the full race and it shows Rich, Peter's, and my POV with the current race leader on the bottom right screen. You can also watch me break and fix my wheel (for now) on lap 2 : Thanks buddy! It looks like Robert Wickens has the same injury I had one year ago. What kind of steering wheel are you using? I have the thrustmaster F1, but I want that LED display you have!
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Post by XRF Formula1 on Aug 27, 2018 19:00:26 GMT
Keep at it Nate, it looks like we're all rootin' for you! Here's the video I put together. There's no announcers for this one as like I said before, i'm not trying to spend as much time on every video because it's very time consuming. It's the full race and it shows Rich, Peter's, and my POV with the current race leader on the bottom right screen. You can also watch me break and fix my wheel (for now) on lap 2 : Thanks buddy! It looks like Robert Wickens has the same injury I had one year ago. What kind of steering wheel are you using? I have the thrustmaster F1, but I want that LED display you have! I'm using the $100 Thrustmaster Ferrari Spider wheel. The LED display is custom made using Sim Dashboard from the Google Play store, and its just my old phone velcroed onto my wheel! I'm saving for the TX leather edition so I can swap out the steering wheels. I actually already have the TH8A shifter even though it doesn't work with my current wheel.
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Post by XRF Formula1 on Aug 27, 2018 21:04:37 GMT
I really enjoyed that one for sure! Congrats again Rich and Peter, that was well deserved. I couldn't believe I still came home with a podium let alone 2nd when my wheel snapped. I thought I was done for a few weeks after that happened! I must give out a special thanks to everyone else for crashing more than I did! And I wouldn't say there isn't elitism among us Peter, we all know I'm the best!!! Heheheeeehhh But on a serious note, Rich & Karl are driving forces to be reckoned with and I actually learn things from everyone here, and am glad to be a part of it!
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Post by XRF HammerPH on Aug 28, 2018 14:05:16 GMT
Well that was some fun on Saturday… always have loved this track but whenever races have come up here before something has always come up to prevent me racing.
Quali was a surprise and managing a time 2 seconds quicker than I had done in practice was enough to see me into second place 2 and a half tenths ahead of Rich and just under 8/tenths shy of Dave. Very pleased with that….
The race was fun but a few spanners were thrown into the works for me.. the 5 minutes extra added to the race made a mess of my strategy as I knew I could do the one hour race on a single stop but just wasn’t sure about the extra 5 minutes as I had just the one practice which I loaded for an hours race… second spanner was my own boneheadedness not realising that trying to move into my grid position on the reformed start was going to penalise me.. doh!! But only 5 seconds so no disaster. Third one was just unfortunate when Dave caught me on the rear left I was so intent on going round as slow as possible to give him the best chance to catch up that I completely missed the fact that I had also picked up damage from the contact… only fairly minor at 6% on the left-rear corner but oh boy did that make the car tricky to handle in those early laps especially :/
Got away fine and kept Rich behind me but the handling was compromised just enough to make me get very wiggly out of the fast corners on a number of occasions… held it together for a while but then going round the fast left after the corkscrew (love that section of track) I just overdid it and lost the backend which allowed Rich a nice easy pass. Luckily there are wide open spaces there so I picked up no further damage and just lost around 6 seconds and no further places. I had another moment a few laps later losing another 6 or so seconds and allowing Tyler and Greg to close on me a bit but I found a decent level of consistency and led the race for around 5 laps until it was time to pit on lap 24 with Tyler chasing me for a while. Rich had taken the lead after both myself and Tyler had done our one planned stop for 5 laps until his final trip to the pit lane moved Tyler into first place with me behind by about 10 seconds but I hit a good consistent spell and brought that lead down to less than 2 seconds with Rich clawing his way back on his fresh rubber to be hounding me and seeing all three of us sharing the same tarmac within touching distance of each other. I was constantly monitoring the fuel and it was apparent fairly quickly that that five minutes was going to cost myself and Tyler dear and we would need to stop again. I had had Rich on me for a good bunch of laps but was keeping it all together and starting to use a bit of p2p on the start finish straight as well but then he got a bit of a run and had a little look up the inside around turn 1 and although I held on I was too busy checking his position as we went along the short straight to turn 2 and missed my turn in point, ending up going wide onto the gravel and allowing him through. I lost about 6 seconds by the time I got back going and knew that would prevent me from challenging Tyler for second place once we both pitted and Rich got the lead. I pitted at the end of lap 47 selecting my splash and go strategy so was pretty miffed to find the crew not only fitting fresh tyres but also repairing the car which with some engine damage meant a LONG stop!! Luckily I had enough of a gap to Greg to come back out comfortably still in third place to claim the final podium step.
A lot of fun for sure, really enjoyed the battle with Rich and the chase of Tyler after our stops was really exciting although this place is so tough to pass on that catchcing is one thing but passing something else entirely. Once again things to mull over and work out before the next race. My recording will be up as soon as I can get it uploaded.
Congrats to Rich for the win and Tyler for another very strong race.. that extra stop caught us both out but you had great consistency and no errors as always. Very impressive…. Tough race for Dave who for sure seemed to have the win without the incidents.
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Post by XRF HammerPH on Aug 29, 2018 15:27:20 GMT
On the subject of the extra fuel needed for this race am I wrong in thinking that they claimed to have fixed the fuel mix issue in the last patch or am I imagining that? I am sure I read that it had been corrected but it's still the same as previously and whatever mix you use makes no difference to consumption. If there's one thing I would wish could be corrected it would be that as it adds so much to the strategic element and is a BIG part of the real series. It would have been ideal for this race.... off to search the forums now for some information :/
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Post by ReadingRich on Aug 29, 2018 16:53:31 GMT
On the subject of the extra fuel needed for this race am I wrong in thinking that they claimed to have fixed the fuel mix issue in the last patch or am I imagining that? I am sure I read that it had been corrected but it's still the same as previously and whatever mix you use makes no difference to consumption. If there's one thing I would wish could be corrected it would be that as it adds so much to the strategic element and is a BIG part of the real series. It would have been ideal for this race.... off to search the forums now for some information :/ They have but it a tiny amount it’s easy to just lift and cost and cl......... 😉
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Post by XRF HammerPH on Aug 29, 2018 17:45:06 GMT
On the subject of the extra fuel needed for this race am I wrong in thinking that they claimed to have fixed the fuel mix issue in the last patch or am I imagining that? I am sure I read that it had been corrected but it's still the same as previously and whatever mix you use makes no difference to consumption. If there's one thing I would wish could be corrected it would be that as it adds so much to the strategic element and is a BIG part of the real series. It would have been ideal for this race.... off to search the forums now for some information :/ They have but it a tiny amount it’s easy to just lift and cost and cl......... 😉 Yeah that's what I did at COTA but just wish they would provide a fix for what should be there as well, the different mixes are pretty much redundant at the moment... they've had almost a year to sort it out now :/
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Post by XRF Lemarrrr on Aug 29, 2018 18:38:12 GMT
They have but it a tiny amount it’s easy to just lift and cost and cl......... 😉 Yeah that's what I did at COTA but just wish they would provide a fix for what should be there as well, the different mixes are pretty much redundant at the moment... they've had almost a year to sort it out now :/ Whilst it is true that the leaner you run the fuel mix the more mileage you get, to get that increased mileage the car has to be driven in a very different way. It’s almost like the difference between running in Qualifying and in the race. Short shifting the gearbox and lifting off the throttle earlier then braking earlier into the corner, on corner exit apply the throttle later and short shift up the gears. The car will not perform at the same speeds if you lean off the fuel, it won’t magically do 5 more laps at racing speed because the fuel mix is leaner. The mix is only a small tool in increasing the range. 🙂
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Post by XRF HammerPH on Aug 29, 2018 19:07:03 GMT
Yeah that's what I did at COTA but just wish they would provide a fix for what should be there as well, the different mixes are pretty much redundant at the moment... they've had almost a year to sort it out now :/ Whilst it is true that the leaner you run the fuel mix the more mileage you get, to get that increased mileage the car has to be driven in a very different way. It’s almost like the difference between running in Qualifying and in the race. Short shifting the gearbox and lifting off the throttle earlier then braking earlier into the corner, on corner exit apply the throttle later and short shift up the gears. The car will not perform at the same speeds if you lean off the fuel, it won’t magically do 5 more laps at racing speed because the fuel mix is leaner. The mix is only a small tool in increasing the range. 🙂 Oh yes of course I understand that you can't run the same pace on lower fuel mix but regardless of that if you drive the same in mix 1 and mix 3 you should still save more fuel in the lower mix otherwise there is no point to it. Granted you maximise that saving by utilising a different driving approach but a saving should be made even without that as with F1 for instance. The problem with the game at the moment which has been admitted is that the mix makes no difference and in fact at one point they had it backwards and mix 2 was heavier on usage than mix 3.
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Post by XRF Lemarrrr on Aug 29, 2018 20:15:10 GMT
Whilst it is true that the leaner you run the fuel mix the more mileage you get, to get that increased mileage the car has to be driven in a very different way. It’s almost like the difference between running in Qualifying and in the race. Short shifting the gearbox and lifting off the throttle earlier then braking earlier into the corner, on corner exit apply the throttle later and short shift up the gears. The car will not perform at the same speeds if you lean off the fuel, it won’t magically do 5 more laps at racing speed because the fuel mix is leaner. The mix is only a small tool in increasing the range. 🙂 Oh yes of course I understand that you can't run the same pace on lower fuel mix but regardless of that if you drive the same in mix 1 and mix 3 you should still save more fuel in the lower mix otherwise there is no point to it. Granted you maximise that saving by utilising a different driving approach but a saving should be made even without that as with F1 for instance. The problem with the game at the moment which has been admitted is that the mix makes no difference and in fact at one point they had it backwards and mix 2 was heavier on usage than mix 3. The thing is Pete that if you drive the same in mix 1 and 3 then you’ll probably use more fuel in the lean mix as the ECU will read the throttle input and will have to use more fuel to achieve the revs it’s being asked to produce with the lower fuel mixture. Race cars usually will only use a more leaner fuel map for formation laps and safety car periods but not often for fuel economy especially in Series that allow refuelling in the pit stop. I realise that we had to add 5 mins (which was my fault for not checking the lobby settings 🙂) and if we were to run the race again with the right lobby setup then peoples fuel strategies would have been more effective.
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Post by XRF HammerPH on Aug 29, 2018 21:46:00 GMT
Oh yes of course I understand that you can't run the same pace on lower fuel mix but regardless of that if you drive the same in mix 1 and mix 3 you should still save more fuel in the lower mix otherwise there is no point to it. Granted you maximise that saving by utilising a different driving approach but a saving should be made even without that as with F1 for instance. The problem with the game at the moment which has been admitted is that the mix makes no difference and in fact at one point they had it backwards and mix 2 was heavier on usage than mix 3. The thing is Pete that if you drive the same in mix 1 and 3 then you’ll probably use more fuel in the lean mix as the ECU will read the throttle input and will have to use more fuel to achieve the revs it’s being asked to produce with the lower fuel mixture. Race cars usually will only use a more leaner fuel map for formation laps and safety car periods but not often for fuel economy especially in Series that allow refuelling in the pit stop. I realise that we had to add 5 mins (which was my fault for not checking the lobby settings 🙂) and if we were to run the race again with the right lobby setup then peoples fuel strategies would have been more effective. That's not how it's meant to be Dave... it's a confirmed bug with all turbo cars in the game.. Casey and other devs confirmed that some time ago and many tests were carried out outlining the problem which is why I'm surprised it's not been fixed. Fuel mapping is something that they talk about quite often during races but of course as you pointed out the optimum saving is achieved by using a different driving style too. No problem re the extra time Saturday, just one of those wrinkles racing throws you and I should have adjusted my strategy accordingly.
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