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Post by XRF Formula1 on Aug 5, 2020 6:00:09 GMT
I started the pre-season testing at Willow Springs and I noticed this car has an option for a Historic Tyre. I did my run with slicks on but was wondering if we should force the Historic tyre? It's the first time i've seen 'Historic' instead of 'Vintage'. Does Historic mean that it's the tyre that was used for these cars?
Thoughts?
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Post by XRF HammerPH on Aug 5, 2020 11:16:31 GMT
I started the pre-season testing at Willow Springs and I noticed this car has an option for a Historic Tyre. I did my run with slicks on but was wondering if we should force the Historic tyre? It's the first time i've seen 'Historic' instead of 'Vintage'. Does Historic mean that it's the tyre that was used for these cars? Thoughts? I have not driven this car yet so not aware of any different tyre compound they have included for it. I know in 1977 they started using a Michelin tyre but I think Goodyear was still the best tyre and won most of the races but I am not aware whether either would be the historic one you are referring to. Lotus ran the Goodyear tyre. I guess testing it to see whether it might be worth it is the only way to go seeing as it is a bit of an unknown.
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Post by XRF Formula1 on Aug 6, 2020 13:45:34 GMT
I had a test just now on the Historic Tyre, it has a flat tread and doesn't look any different than the slicks do but it behaves much like the vintage tyre did with the 49C and earlier cars. I'm slower by a couple seconds at least on historic tyres.
I've got the benchmark times for 3 tracks on slick tyre and wondering if I should keep going on slicks or start over and use Historic? I'm 2 or 3 seconds slower than the AI at 120/100 on the slicks
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Post by XRF HammerPH on Aug 6, 2020 14:23:39 GMT
Looking at all the images I have seen of the 1977 season the tyres were slicks rather than treaded so maybe that's the best indication that slicks are the way to go.
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Post by XRF Formula1 on Aug 6, 2020 15:38:51 GMT
Looking at all the images I have seen of the 1977 season the tyres were slicks rather than treaded so maybe that's the best indication that slicks are the way to go. The historic tyres in the game are slicks. They're just a much harder compound than the slick tyres are. I'll do some research on the tyres to find out which compound is closer to being more realistic
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Post by XRF HammerPH on Aug 6, 2020 15:43:45 GMT
Looking at all the images I have seen of the 1977 season the tyres were slicks rather than treaded so maybe that's the best indication that slicks are the way to go. The historic tyres in the game are slicks. They're just a much harder compound than the slick tyres are. I'll do some research on the tyres to find out which compound is closer to being more realistic Ah ok when you said flat tread I assumed they were not slick. Maybe check the lap times they were getting and see whether either compound better replicates those?
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Post by XRF Formula1 on Aug 6, 2020 18:14:31 GMT
The historic tyres in the game are slicks. They're just a much harder compound than the slick tyres are. I'll do some research on the tyres to find out which compound is closer to being more realistic Ah ok when you said flat tread I assumed they were not slick. Maybe check the lap times they were getting and see whether either compound better replicates those? Oops I guess I ment flat as in no grooves; smooth. It looks like Goodyear won all 17 races that year and used a bias type tyre whereas Michelin used a radial type that didn't do well until '78 and '79. It outperformed Goodyear in '81, '83, and '84. I think it would be best to let everyone choose what tyre compound they want to use as I can't find much more about what the compounds in the game would be equivalent to real life
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Post by XRF Formula1 on Aug 12, 2020 4:55:18 GMT
Here are the results of my tests, the AI were set at maximum and times were set in clear conditions on the date the race took place with the slick tyre. Times were based on average and not personal bests. The AIs times and theoretical times were the ones used to determine the number of laps:
1. Willow Springs - January 9th - Hazy 54 Laps AI: 1:07 Tyler: 1:12
2. Ruapuna Park - January 23rd - Clear 47 Laps AI: 1:16 Tyler: 1:19
3. Mugello - March 5th - Heavy Clouds 37 Laps AI: 1:38 Tyler: 1:45
4. Long Beach - April 3rd - Hazy, Hazy, Clear 49 Laps AI: 1:13 Tyler: 1:17.500
5. Brno - May 8th - Overcast, Overcast, Heavy Clouds, Medium Clouds 33 Laps AI: 1:48 Tyler: 1:59
6. Monaco (modern turn 1, no Nouvelle, use all pool chicanes) - May 22nd - Overcast 41 Laps AI: N/A (Predicted Avg: 1:26.500) Tyler: 1:27.500
7. Zolder (Modern) - June 5th - Light rain, Heavy Clouds, Medium Clouds, Light Clouds 41 Laps AI: 1:26 Tyler: 1:30
8. Oschersleben - June 19th - Overcast 44 Laps AI: 1:22 Tyler: 59:59.999
10. Silverstone Classic - July 16th - Medium Clouds, Heavy Clouds, Medium Clouds, Heavy Clouds 46 Laps AI: 1:18.000 Tyler: 59:59.999
11. Hockenheimring (Same as '70 first chicane) - July 31st - Clear 30 Laps AI: N/A (Predicted Avg: 1:57.000) Tyler: 2:02.000
12. RedBull Ring - August 14th - Light Rain, Medium Clouds, Light Clouds, Clear 44 Laps AI: 1:22.000 Tyler: 59:59.999
13. Rouen-Les-Essarts (Short) - August 28th - Light Clouds 36 Laps AI: 1:40.000 Tyler: 59:59.999
14. Monza - September 11th - Hazy 36 Laps AI: 1:38.500 Tyler: 59:59.999
15. Watkins Glen (No innerloop) - October 2nd - Light Rain, Heavy Clouds, Light Rain, Heavy Clouds 39 Laps AI: N/A (Predicted Avg: 1:31.500) Tyler: 1:38.000
16. Oulton Park (No hislops chicane, must receive damage to remove barriers) - October 9th - Light Rain, Overcast, Overcast, Heavy Clouds 43 Laps AI: N/A (Predicted Avg: 1:23.500) Tyler: 1:26.000
17. Fuji (No dunlop chicane, must receive damage to remove barriers) - October 23rd - Clear 39 Laps AI: N/A (Predicted Avg: 1:31.000) Tyler: 1:35.000
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Post by XRF Formula1 on Aug 24, 2020 0:51:17 GMT
Pre-season testing complete!!
As you may have noticed, I am significantly slower than the AI at their best. We might need Karl's expertise for this car
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Post by niblips on Sept 16, 2020 14:01:26 GMT
Pre-season testing complete!!As you may have noticed, I am significantly slower than the AI at their best. We might need Karl's expertise for this car Sorry, I've missed all these posts. I'll have a look at the car this week.
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Post by XRF Formula1 on Sept 16, 2020 20:34:26 GMT
Pre-season testing complete!!As you may have noticed, I am significantly slower than the AI at their best. We might need Karl's expertise for this car Sorry, I've missed all these posts. I'll have a look at the car this week. No worries, im not in any hurry to get the season started. I still need to post all the threads once a subboard is up for the next season which will take me a couple hours at least
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Post by iang0355 on Sept 23, 2020 4:34:11 GMT
I'll give it a go in the next day or two as well. I'm feeling fairly good about Sonoma so I probably won't be doing much in the Indy car until the day before so I'll try and get some feedback to you guys as well
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Post by iang0355 on Sept 24, 2020 0:43:15 GMT
Ay dios mio, what a car! Been riding around at Rouen and Brno (might my my new favorite, I could lap there all day!) And its a blast. You can really chuck it around, a lot like a gt3 car if I'm honest
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Post by XRF HammerPH on Sept 27, 2020 0:55:02 GMT
I'll get the board set up for this in the next few days. I still haven't had the time to get on track in the car myself yet.
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Post by niblips on Sept 28, 2020 21:26:00 GMT
Well, this car sure us tail happy. Not sure how to tame it atm, or if it can be tammed at all! Lol. Just tested at Willow Springs and could match Tyler's time, but I was all over the place. Gonna take me a while to get used to it for sure.....just like the 72D did.
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Post by XRF Formula1 on Sept 29, 2020 18:24:28 GMT
Well, this car sure us tail happy. Not sure how to tame it atm, or if it can be tammed at all! Lol. Just tested at Willow Springs and could match Tyler's time, but I was all over the place. Gonna take me a while to get used to it for sure.....just like the 72D did. I've been watching vintage F1 footage and the channel 'Circuits of the Past' on YouTube lately. It's getting me a little more in the mood to get back into it. But yeah, this car is different from the 72D and it definitely has a heavy fish tail!
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Post by XRF HammerPH on Sept 29, 2020 18:51:53 GMT
The 78 was the first of the true ground effect cars but it was the next one, the 79 that really took it further. That's probably why this one is quite unstable, kind of the prototype.
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Post by XRF HammerPH on Sept 29, 2020 22:15:02 GMT
I had my first look at this tonight and its definitely a fun challenging car that needs significant taming. I can get down into the 1:10's fairly confidently but i'm sure there's more to come with some tweaking of the setup. The AI are mega quick through sector 1, particularly going up through the Budweiser section. They are also incredibly eratic though and end up off tack frequently so not sure whether we can use them in our races.
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Post by XRF Formula1 on Sept 30, 2020 17:09:25 GMT
I had my first look at this tonight and its definitely a fun challenging car that needs significant taming. I can get down into the 1:10's fairly confidently but i'm sure there's more to come with some tweaking of the setup. The AI are mega quick through sector 1, particularly going up through the Budweiser section. They are also incredibly eratic though and end up off tack frequently so not sure whether we can use them in our races. Probably a no for the AI this season as about 5 of the tracks are modified from their current state in the game. Speaking of, the last two tracks require a volunteer to damage their vehicle in order to remove the barriers, so we'll need to discuss how to cross it once we get to that bridge. Maybe we could get a guest driver because waiting for the person in the pits who takes the damage could take a couple minutes and the others might need to turn off their engines to save them from overheating.
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Post by XRF HammerPH on Sept 30, 2020 22:43:38 GMT
Difficult enough to get competing drivers let alone guests lol. Any reason why we don't just run those tracks as they are? Oulton wasn't acually run for instance so no real harm in leaving it as is.
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