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Post by XRF HammerPH on Jun 21, 2020 17:03:28 GMT
Nice writes up Ian and Liam 👍
I think the only change we would look to make is the one where drivers get multiple laps back but at the end of the day that was not what caused the restart problems, that was just typical of restarts on ovals where everyone is so close together. We have tended to only call yellow flags when more then one car is involved but due to the limitations of the game it requires the drivers themselves to notify us of that fact which is not ideal. When I had my incident on the restart for instance I decided not to call for one. That's the area where we have to be a bit more consistent and clear so everyone gets equal treatment. But at the same time we simply cannot call them for every incident otherwise we would never finish a race lol
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Post by XRF Formula1 on Jun 21, 2020 17:23:47 GMT
Karl, we need to get an extra car in the Schmidt Peterson garage lol. Long Beach next and that one is bound to be a race of attrition. Those walls are unforgiving!! The third Schmidt Peterson car is Oval only. Andretti Autosport looks to be the only big team on the Honda side of things :/
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Post by XRF HammerPH on Jun 21, 2020 17:31:00 GMT
Karl, we need to get an extra car in the Schmidt Peterson garage lol. Long Beach next and that one is bound to be a race of attrition. Those walls are unforgiving!! The third Schmidt Peterson car is Oval only. Andretti Autosport looks to be the only big team on the Honda side of things :/ We'll co-opt someone 😉
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Post by wayneker on Jun 21, 2020 18:12:15 GMT
Q 12th R 3rd Qualifying was a bit pants for me. I didn’t really have a good qualifying setup and failed to get a good tow but i was happy to start nearer the back to stay out of the first lap traffic and play the long game.
Race was a bit strange setup wise. For some reason my setup just wouldn’t rev the same as all my practice sessions so my gearing was way off. But with a nice stable car I knew if I kept my race clean I had a chance. The Safety car incident was a strange one. We definitely need to work on a plan for these for the upcoming races as I feel the safety car situation went on for longer then needed. But that’s for a different thread. I kept my head down and managed my fuel to keep to my pit stop plan but near the end that went out the window as a lapse in concentration meant I put myself in the wall shortly after my final pit stop. But luckily the repair was fairly short and got back out before loosing my 3rd position.
I’m fairly sure if some of the other guys were still in the race I would have finished lower but I’m still happy with my 3rd. And now I have my new Xbox one x I had no Xbox related technical issues which is definitely a bonus hahaha
I know there was a bit of drama at the start but once it calmed down there was some really good clean racing with good communication. Well done guys
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Post by iang0355 on Jun 21, 2020 18:59:59 GMT
I was thinking maybe do something along the lines of the wavearound/"Lucky Dog" system; I'll try to put this to words as best I can so here goes. And as a quick disclaimer this is for the ovals only, I think the system for road/street courses is fine as is, no argument from me there.
When a safety car is called, we do a 5 lap SC period. Queue up behind the leader, reduced pace, business as usual. Any vehicle involved in the wreck is allowed to go by and get to the pits for repairs. All cars involved in the wreck get two laps to make it to the pits, do repairs and queue back up. After those first two laps, we move on with the next part of the SC period.
The first car not on the lead lap will be given the "lucky dog", they will be sent round everyone to collect one lap back and queue back up at the back of the field.
On the 3rd lap under safety car, pit lane will be "opened" for any lead lap cars wishing to pit for fuel, tires, etc. Everyone else continues around.
On lap 4 we open it for anyone not on the lead lap. If they decide not to pit, then they have opted to take the wavearound and will get one lap back. If they take this option, they can not pit during this SC period.
With one to go all the cars who took the wavearound go around once and queue up behind the lead lap cars. the leader resumes his place at the front of the line and the restart is called as we normally do.
Now I'm not saying that's how we should do this as I'm sure we could come up with something better given more time, and it also doesn't fix the problems those who had issues after the safety car had either but this is just meant to be an idea/discussion starter on one way we could go about things in the future. This way, if it worked as intended, would give everyone a chance to pit, make repairs, adjust strategy, etc. and would leave everyone queued up properly and be fair to everyone in theory. I'd like to hear everyone else's thoughts or ideas on ways to improve or move forward as well.
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Post by micko39 on Jun 21, 2020 22:37:36 GMT
Here's my vid of Texas mostly my lack of talent.
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Post by XRF HammerPH on Jun 21, 2020 23:44:31 GMT
I was thinking maybe do something along the lines of the wavearound/"Lucky Dog" system; I'll try to put this to words as best I can so here goes. And as a quick disclaimer this is for the ovals only, I think the system for road/street courses is fine as is, no argument from me there. When a safety car is called, we do a 5 lap SC period. Queue up behind the leader, reduced pace, business as usual. Any vehicle involved in the wreck is allowed to go by and get to the pits for repairs. All cars involved in the wreck get two laps to make it to the pits, do repairs and queue back up. After those first two laps, we move on with the next part of the SC period. The first car one lap down will be given the "lucky dog", they will be sent round everyone to collect one lap back and queue up at the back of the field. On the 3rd lap under safety car, pit lane will be "opened" for any lead lap cars wishing to pit for fuel, tires, etc. Everyone else continues around. On lap 4 we open it for anyone not on the lead lap. If they decide not to pit, then they have opted to take the wavearound and will get one lap back. If they take this option, they can not pit during this SC period. With one to go all the cars who took the wavearound go around once and queue up behind the lead lap cars. the leader resumes his place at the front of the line and the restart is called as we normally do. Now I'm not saying that's how we should do this as I'm sure we could come up with something better given more time, and it also doesn't fix the problems those who had issues after the safety car had either but this is just meant to be an idea/discussion starter on one way we could go about things in the future. This way, if it worked as intended, would give everyone a chance to pit, make repairs, adjust strategy, etc. and would leave everyone queued up properly and be fair to everyone in theory. I'd like to hear everyone else's thoughts or ideas on ways to improve or move forward as well. I've got a headache lol.... One of the problems here is knowing who is doing what while still driving your own race. If you had someone monitoring this it would make it a bit simpler but as we are all driving and managing our own races i'm not sure how we can do that easily. I'm also not sure about allowing just one person to get the lap back, that then is unfair to others who are a lap down. I get that it's called 'lucky dog' for that reason but for me it's either all or none to maintain some sort of fairness. I'm against that gimmickry that NASCAR has introduced personally. The rest of it I get but I'll have to think it through properly with some of our race scenarios before commenting further. I like the suggestions though, all ideas are always welcomed 👍
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Post by iang0355 on Jun 22, 2020 17:42:17 GMT
Its a bit confusing, and would be much easier with a dedicated race director but it could work. The lucky dog thing could be scrapped, I don't care much for it personally but I figured I'd throw it in. A way forward is definitely something we should discuss and figure out between everyone for sure
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Post by wayneker on Jun 22, 2020 20:48:26 GMT
Here’s my 2 cents on safety car situations. If there is a multi car crash call out for a safety car. The leader then chucks on the pit limiter (or stays under a set limit) for the remainder of that lap plus one extra lap. This will give a chance for damaged cars to get back to the pit and also will give time for lapped cars to get back to the lead lap. We restart after the one lap even if the damaged cars are still in the pit as long as the track is clear.
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Post by XRF Formula1 on Jun 22, 2020 21:20:32 GMT
Here’s my 2 cents on safety car situations. If there is a multi car crash call out for a safety car. The leader then chucks on the pit limiter (or stays under a set limit) for the remainder of that lap plus one extra lap. This will give a chance for damaged cars to get back to the pit and also will give time for lapped cars to get back to the lead lap. We restart after the one lap even if the damaged cars are still in the pit as long as the track is clear. I say any time more than one car is involved in an incident or spun round the drivers should call out that a multiple crash/collision/ouchy happened. Then it will be up to the lobby leaders Dave and Peter to decide whether or not a safety car should happen.
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Post by XRF Formula1 on Jun 22, 2020 21:34:30 GMT
For future Oval events can I suggest that in any safety car period that lapped cars in the pack should rejoin the field at the back so they don’t interfere with those on the lead lap? Secondly, if your car ends up on its roll hoop then your race is over, we’ve always strived for the most realistic simulator races and I’m not sure that resetting after a crash adds to that realism. Yasss! I never even mapped a reset to track button because it takes away from the realism for me.
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Post by XRF HammerPH on Jun 22, 2020 22:54:04 GMT
Here’s my 2 cents on safety car situations. If there is a multi car crash call out for a safety car. The leader then chucks on the pit limiter (or stays under a set limit) for the remainder of that lap plus one extra lap. This will give a chance for damaged cars to get back to the pit and also will give time for lapped cars to get back to the lead lap. We restart after the one lap even if the damaged cars are still in the pit as long as the track is clear. I say any time more than one car is involved in an incident or spun round the drivers should call out that a multiple crash/collision/ouchy happened. Then it will be up to the lobby leaders Dave and Peter to decide whether or not a safety car should happen. That's meant to be what happens now, I think the problem is always that in the heat of the moment this doesn't always happen.
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Post by XRF Formula1 on Jun 23, 2020 0:23:34 GMT
I say any time more than one car is involved in an incident or spun round the drivers should call out that a multiple crash/collision/ouchy happened. Then it will be up to the lobby leaders Dave and Peter to decide whether or not a safety car should happen. That's meant to be what happens now, I think the problem is always that in the heat of the moment this doesn't always happen. Yeah I admit that I don't always call out my spins. I'll make a mental note (and type note here lol) to start warning others when it happens.
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Post by iang0355 on Jun 23, 2020 1:20:35 GMT
That's meant to be what happens now, I think the problem is always that in the heat of the moment this doesn't always happen. Yeah I admit that I don't always call out my spins. I'll make a mental note (and type note here lol) to start warning others when it happens. I had to make a mental note to call out any spins this week because of the fact that there's such a short closing time and not really anywhere to go but it can be difficult to remember when your main focus is on damage prevention
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