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Post by XRF HammerPH on Sept 30, 2018 17:09:40 GMT
So, with today's Sochi race still very fresh in the mind I was just wondering what everyone thinks of the whole team orders situation?
1) Were Mercedes right to implement them. 2) Should they have swapped the drivers back around torwards the end of the race. 3) Should Hamilton have taken matters into his own hands once it became clear that the team were not swapping them over.
Cheers and I look forward to any and all comments.
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Post by XRF Lemarrrr on Sept 30, 2018 18:53:09 GMT
So, with today's Sochi race still very fresh in the mind I was just wondering what everyone thinks of the whole team orders situation? 1) Were Mercedes right to implement them. 2) Should they have swapped the drivers back around torwards the end of the race. 3) Should Hamilton have taken matters into his own hands once it became clear that the team were not swapping them over. Cheers and I look forward to any and all comments. 1. Yes, the team made a decision based on a potential blister issue on Lewis car, if his tyres had degraded behind Valtteri and he’d fallen into Vettels clutches then the 1-2 and 43 valuable points could’ve turned in to 30 points or worse. The Constructors Championship has priority over the Drivers and the team were protecting a hard earned 1-2 so as disappointing as it is for Valtteris side of the garage he did the right thing. 2. The Constructors is the priority for the team so to swap them back and jeopardise the 1-2 is nonsense when the result would yield the same amount of points. 3. Like me, Lewis is an employee of the team and like me he has to do what he is asked to do, his contract would surely have many clauses stating that he must do as he’s asked to do by the team and if however unlikely he broke those rules then he’d be in breach of contract which would cost him an awful lot of money. 4. More frustratingly, a fantastic result for our team where we’ve beaten up those Red jokers quite comprehensively and pulled out a large lead in the championship has been overshadowed by the media creating a shit storm because the team asked an employee to do his job.
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Post by ReadingRich on Sept 30, 2018 21:27:13 GMT
1) As much as I hate to say it yes. Taking the constructors out of it the team will always back the driver most likely to win the championship and mathematically the Lewis.
2) Has Dave said the constructors pays the bills.
3) Why should he, any one who is a competitive animal will take the maximum results how ever it comes that’s why they get paid the big bucks, get the trophies and the models.
Also what we have now are all the top teams with 2 top drivers in the past the second driver was just that and was in no illusions of his role.
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Post by XRF HammerPH on Sept 30, 2018 22:55:02 GMT
Interesting points and I agree up to a point but still feel that they could have effected a swap once Verstappen was out of the picture.
Personally I would hate taking a win because someone handed me the place and regardless of team orders would have handed it back rather then take a devalued victory which left all concerned with a sour taste in the mouth. I understand the reasons and am not bringing this up out of any dislike for the team or driver as I've been a huge fan of Hamilton since he entered the sport but I just don't like this sort of thing from anyone and dislike the shadow it cast on the sport.
Tbh Dave it's not media that are causing it.. fans hate it first and foremost. You are totally right that the team and Hamilton especially have really taken the stuffing out of Ferrari and deserve (and rightly get) credit for doing so but equally they could really post themselves as the flag bearers of the 'right' thing to do and taken the moral as well as race victory if they hadn't pulled that one today. I never believed Vettell was going to get past Hamilton and was always confident that once the Red Bull pitted they had more than enough in hand to handle the Ferrari. That being said I get it but it doesn't mean I have to like it.
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Post by XRF Formula1 on Oct 1, 2018 1:02:00 GMT
This gets slightly off topic, but I really can respect all the Teams and Drivers in F1, the hard work everyone puts in, and the ability to put up with all of the politics. I suppose the money is great, but I probably couldn't handle the politic bull. Though it makes sense to go for the Constructor points to me, I didn't quite understand letting Lewis stay ahead of Valtteri after the blister. In the end, it didn't and won't matter anyway, Lewis has his 5th title in the bag What a let down in Russia for Valtteri i'm sure, but he is bound by contracts. I only watched the racehighlights and it wasn't my call to make so I doubt I have enough information to comment further and make myself look stupider-er. With that said, i'm even that much more grateful to be apart of this group, while watered down (waiting for technology to catch up), we've got what I'd consider pure racing. We're all here doing what we love, for free (and I wouldn't expect to be paid for this). That's what makes it so great. We're never mad at eachother (at least I don't think), when we're in accidents caused by other drivers, we never blame eachother, usually apologize if we do cause accidents, race fairly, help eachother to become faster, don't try and exploit the rules, and always happy for whoever wins. What happened to sports and games, in general? Why do most pro teams and competitors alike (in any sport like competition) seem almost completely the opposite of us and other free community type groups? Perhaps we're the ones living the dream?😎 Like Dave said though, the media twists everything we don't get to see behind the scenes. I try not to believe anything the media says unless there's hard evidence, so i'm sure it's much better than what they show. Anyways, I love being here. That is all.
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