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Post by XRF Formula1 on Oct 1, 2019 18:59:38 GMT
I've been working on the next season with the Lotus 72D and was testing out Round 6 which is modern Le-Mans.
Everything has been going fine and dandy until I hit this track, I don't know what the hell i'm doing wrong there. I'm about 10 seconds off the AIs pace lol. They've been set at 120/50 for my testing.
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Post by XRF HammerPH on Oct 1, 2019 19:15:38 GMT
A little off topic but i've been working on the next season with the Lotus 72D and was testing out Round 6 which is modern Le-Mans. Everything has been going fine and dandy until I hit this track, I don't know what the hell i'm doing wrong there. I'm about 10 seconds off the AIs pace lol. They've been set at 120/50 for my testing. Nice one Tyler, what I'll do is start a new forum area for the next season so we can post anything about it there... I will move this post there once created to keep everything neay and tidy 👍
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Post by XRF Formula1 on Oct 1, 2019 20:22:56 GMT
That's a good idea, thanks Pete
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Post by XRF HammerPH on Oct 2, 2019 17:45:17 GMT
I'm looking forward to getting going in this season in the 72D. I'll try to get some testing done of my own too as the 49C season has proved a really difficult one for me, never really getting to grips with the car at all in the first half of the season and struggling with various problems which have hampered my enjoyment of it.
If it's anything like the 72 in Assetto Corsa it will be a lot of fun to drive
Can you remember where the discussion took place on the race calendar Tyler? I know we chatted briefly about it so I'll bring that into this forum area so we can discuss that some more.
Edit: Don't worry I found the chat posts about the calendar and have moved them into the calendar thread in this area of the forum.
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Post by XRF HammerPH on Oct 3, 2019 18:53:37 GMT
I might get on to test out the 72 at LeMans to see if I have the same issues as you. I'll let you know how it goes.
How have you found the setups compared to the 49c? I wondered whether the aero in particular might need more care as they were getting more into the effects at this point.
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Post by XRF Lemarrrr on Oct 3, 2019 19:49:49 GMT
I might get on to test out the 72 at LeMans to see if I have the same issues as you. I'll let you know how it goes. How have you found the setups compared to the 49c? I wondered whether the aero in particular might need more care as they were getting more into the effects at this point. I ran some test laps around Silverstone in the 72 and found it more like a modern car than the 49C, I found it responded well to the engineering adjustments more than the 49 did. On the driving side it’s a predictable and steady chassis and gives good feedback in terms of under and oversteer balance, I’d love to take part in this series but work gets in the way unfortunately
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Post by XRF Formula1 on Oct 3, 2019 23:11:04 GMT
I found that it really responds to what you do with the aero. It also allows up to 20 max over the 10 max that the 49C had, so the downforce is a key component to get right for each track.
I can really feel the drag with higher downforce through straights and the lack of steer around corners when I had low downforce.
Le-Mans I couldn't get right. With low downforce (around 4 to 6) I could hit about 280kph before the first chicane on the long straight but found the rest of the circuit too slow. With medium downforce (around 11 to 14) I could barely get to 270kph and found the AI passing me on the long straights. The rest of the track I could just keep up but couldn't get close enough to catch them again.
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Post by XRF HammerPH on Oct 4, 2019 16:44:03 GMT
I got nowhere close to your time Tyler. I only managed half a dozen laps so will go back to it this weekend but I'm not sure why i'm losing so much time. The AI absolutely fly past me on the straights, I might as well be standing still they go through so fast. What aero setting did you set you fastest lap with?
Fun car though and the grip levels are very different to the cars we've gotten used to.
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Post by XRF Formula1 on Oct 5, 2019 0:42:11 GMT
I got nowhere close to your time Tyler. I only managed half a dozen laps so will go back to it this weekend but I'm not sure why i'm losing so much time. The AI absolutely fly past me on the straights, I might as well be standing still they go through so fast. What aero setting did you set you fastest lap with? I wanna say it was with 6/6 or 7/7. I wasn't really paying attention to that because I was trying to figure out how the AI are 10 seconds faster than me. When I was spectating the leader for a lap or 2, I noticed that they don't even use 5th gear so something seems screwy with them at Le-Mans.
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Post by XRF HammerPH on Oct 5, 2019 10:15:21 GMT
I've no clue how you set even the time you did then as I also used 7/7 and was nowhere close. What was your gearing set to? I know we've tended to use quite different gearing so maybe here that is more of an issue with those long ass straights.
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Post by XRF HammerPH on Oct 5, 2019 16:49:48 GMT
I've just had another quick run out and the fastest I could manage was 257kmh with 6/6 aero. I tried numerous gear ratio and individual gearing configurations but nothing improved it beyond that so it's no wonder i'm so far off the pace.
I think the AI at 120 is too high. My thoughts are that at 120 they go above realistic pace and that's there for the aliens. At 100 they are seeing times around the 4:08 mark so I think probably 105-10 is probably realistic based on Tyler's figures.
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Post by XRF HammerPH on Oct 5, 2019 20:25:03 GMT
Just tried again and even with my aero set at 4/4 I couldn't get above 267kmh. Really have no idea how you are hitting those speeds Tyler. My lap times are around 4:15 so way below what you set in your tests.
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Post by XRF Formula1 on Oct 5, 2019 22:30:33 GMT
Just tried again and even with my aero set at 4/4 I couldn't get above 267kmh. Really have no idea how you are hitting those speeds Tyler. My lap times are around 4:15 so way below what you set in your tests. I got in an hour or so of testing there tonight. I'm not sure how they where hitting the 3:52 mark in practice but in the race they were much slower. My guess is they only ran a few laps of fuel in practice and their cars were lighter. I had some decent battles with the setup I came up with tonight, in the draft I made it up to 290kph and best of 4:01.360. The in-game date is set to July 2nd, 1972. I use the loose SMS default setup and adjust from there, let me know if this helps at all: TYRE PRESSURES with slick tyre compound: Front - 1.21 bar Rear - 1.25 bar BRAKE PRESSURE: 95% BRAKE BALANCE: 53.0/47.0 FRONT DUCT OPENING: 15% REAR DUCT OPENING: 10% DOWNFORCE: 4/5 LONGITUDINAL WEIGHT BIAS: 38.0/62.0 FRONT RIDE HEIGHT: 80mm REAR RIDE HEIGHT: 100mm FRONT SPRING RATE: 50N/mm REAR SPRING RATE: 68N/mm RADIATOR OPENING: 50% ENGINE BREAKING: 4 FINAL DRIVE: 3.444 1ST: 2.917 2ND: 2.286 3RD: 1.824 4TH: 1.556 5TH: 1.375
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Post by XRF HammerPH on Oct 6, 2019 8:18:33 GMT
Interesting about the AI. No idea what that's about but no way should there be an 8 seconds differential regardless of fuel level.
I'll check it that setup later if I get the chance. Cheers.
What is your to speed with no draft? That's what was confusing me.. I thought you previous speed reports were in clear air and there was a 20kmh difference between us with similar aero.
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Post by XRF Formula1 on Oct 7, 2019 21:19:55 GMT
I think it was around 270 - 280kph
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Post by XRF HammerPH on Oct 7, 2019 21:28:24 GMT
I had a go tonight using your setup Tyler. I also had been using the default loose setup but there were a few things you had altered that I hadn't. I started a race based on our format but I only had the AI set at 110/50. They pulled away from me immediately, I hung onto them on the first lap but even then my top speed was nowhere near what you hit Tyler. Maybe I wasn't quite as close to them as you but I couldn't do any better then mid 270's. Once I was on my own my top speed was only 263 which was actually a few kmh slower than I had managed with my setup. The lap times did come down significantly lap by lap so clearly the fuel makes much more of a difference in this car than any we have used previously. But my best lap after 12 laps was still only a 4:08.377. I was just over a second up on lap 12 but unfortunately got a wiggle on our of the third last corner a tagged a wall causing damage so I will have to pit at the end of this lap and fix it. I'm not sure though I could get near your 4:01 time even if I had got through to the end of the race without damage. I'll fix the damage and not put in any fuel and see how things go on the last two laps. A couple of things for you Tyler.. 1) What was your fastest down the first straight in clean air 2) What were your lap times in the early laps. Edit: Just finished the race and on my one full lap after that pit stop I managed a 4:07.364. I felt as though I had fone as good a lap as I possibly could on that one but was still 6 seconds off your time Tyler!! Would love to see a lap from you around this track just to get an idea of where i'm losing out. Why don't you get on Mixer and give us a demo
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Post by XRF HammerPH on Oct 7, 2019 21:55:00 GMT
I think it was around 270 - 280kph That's a BIG difference to what I can get with the very same setup!! Hope some others can do some testing too so we can see whether they find the same. I did wonder whether my pedals were playing up and not giving me the full range but a recalibrated with the same results.
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Post by XRF Formula1 on Oct 8, 2019 2:07:47 GMT
I don't know what it could be, the first couple of laps aren't much slower I think around 5 seconds slower.
I'll make a video in the next few days showing my out lap and 1st lap in practice
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Post by niblips on Oct 11, 2019 13:32:35 GMT
I've had some fun this last week testing this car at LeMans. Probably done about 50 laps or more all told. Been using the stable default setup mostly and have had a best clean air lap time of 4:01.7xx. The car does seem to not want to turn though, I wish it had more front-end. I feel like i'm having to turn in way sooner than i would normally. A question about the AI. I've typically run them with only 20 aggressive setting but did up it to 50 since that's what you and Peter have been using. The last couple tests i've had i've had them set at 110/50 and they seem pretty competitive at the start. They are only catchable in the corners unless you get a good exit and a nice draft. There are a couple places where they are too slow (Indianapolis and d'Arnage corners as well as the Karting esses and the final two chicanes before the start finish line). If you don't know they are slow through those bits you can easily run up the back of them. My concern with using them in the league would be the question of what level to set them at to make it competitive and fun for all the levels of real races we have in the league? Setting them too high would mean only the guys up front could enjoy the challenge, but setting them too low means they would be mostly a road block. Another question is how would we deal with the AI when awarding the points at the end of the race? Would we just exclude the AI, or include them? In previous leagues i've been in that have used AI they have excluded them in the results. The next time I get on I'll race the AI at the 120/50 level and see how i get on. With the 110 setting this was my previous race results: EDIT, the3 data didn't post well. I'll try to fix it somehow. Position
| Driver | Laps | Race time | Gap | Fastest lap | 1 | niblips2 | 15 | 1:01:31.782
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| 2 | Christian Schroeder
| 15 | 1:02:13.726
| +41.943
| 4:04.284
| 3 | Friedrich Riemschneider
| 15 | 1:02:21.824
| +50.042
| 4:05.323 | 4 | Reto Marti
| 15 | 1:02:22.446
| +50.664
| 4:05.594
| 5 | Roucourt Rony
| 15 | 1:02:34.588
| +1:02.805
| 4:05.453
| 6 | Chris Twigger
| 15 | 1:02:48.529
| +1:16.746
| 4:07.387
| 7 | Guanchen Liu
| 15 | 1:02:54.379
| +1:22.597
| 4:07.080
| 8 | Jan Berka
| 15 | 1:03:01.303
| +1:29.520
| 4:03.951
| 9 | Roland Respondek
| 1 | +14 Laps
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Post by niblips on Oct 11, 2019 14:15:04 GMT
I'm actually quite surprised that the AI race fastest laps and the quali fastest laps are so different. In Quali the pole position time was 3:59.7xx and the slowest AI lap was 4:02.7xx They are a good 3 seconds slower per lap in the race.
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